Wednesday, February 6, 2008

Conversation

Below is a conversation i had with a friend of mine... he's gay and apparently in love with Jesus and such... I have copied the conversation here that I have just had with him. I have changed his screenname to Friend to protect him... Am I wrong here in my responses? this is like the 15th conversation i have had with him about this and well... he just doesn't understand
[13:55] lucentalchemy:
[13:55] Friend: sup dude?
[13:56] lucentalchemy: not much... just workin
[13:56] Friend: are u still in arizona?
[13:56] lucentalchemy: yup
[13:56] lucentalchemy: i fly home tomorrow night
[13:56] Friend: cool
[13:56] lucentalchemy: yup
[13:57] Friend: noce
[13:57] Friend: nice
[13:57] Friend: have u been out there?
[13:57] lucentalchemy: this is my firs time
[13:57] Friend: ok
[13:58] lucentalchemy: but it's nice
[13:58] lucentalchemy: lots of mountains
[13:58] lucentalchemy: sand
[13:58] Friend: where in arizona are u?
[13:58] lucentalchemy: Scottsdale
[13:58] Friend: yeah i have been there
[13:58] lucentalchemy: next to Phoenix
[13:58] Friend: but in summer time is extremely hottttttt
[14:11] lucentalchemy: i know... but that's why they have air conditioning
[14:11] Friend: yeah
[14:11] Friend: i guess
[14:12] Friend: i have some relatives living there
[14:12] Friend: in phoenix
[14:12] lucentalchemy: cool
[14:12] Friend: they are assholes
[14:13] Friend: they think are better coz they are white
[14:13] lucentalchemy: oh... well then i am sorry
[14:13] Friend: that's ok
[14:17] Friend: would u ever like to go to holy land?
[14:17] lucentalchemy: the holy lands? or just any holy land?
[14:17] Friend: i ma talkig about the bible here
[14:17] Friend: hello
[14:18] lucentalchemy: there are lots of holy lands... jerusalem, the vatican, bethlehem
[14:18] lucentalchemy: etc...
[14:18] Friend: vativa isn't holy
[14:18] Friend: vatican
[14:18] Friend: sorry
[14:18] lucentalchemy: i guess you aren't catholic
[14:19] Friend: i was
[14:20] lucentalchemy: well... anyway... no... i have no interest in going there
[14:20] Friend: are u kidding me
[14:20] Friend: ok
[14:21] Friend: i'd love to but i'd be afraid
[14:21] lucentalchemy: no... i am not kidding you
[14:21] lucentalchemy: remember... i am not a christian... i just don't care to go there...
[14:21] Friend: u don't belive in gad?
[14:22] Friend: believe
[14:22] Friend: god
[14:22] lucentalchemy: i believe in god... i don't believe in christianity
[14:22] lucentalchemy: haven't we had this conversation before?
[14:22] Friend: yeah
[14:22] Friend: man i ma trying to help u a little bit here
[14:23] lucentalchemy: i appreciate it... but i don't think i need the help... if i go to hell... i go to hell...
[14:23] lucentalchemy: i don't think there is such a place
[14:23] Friend: ok man just remeber that i tried to help
[14:23] Friend: remeber
[14:23] lucentalchemy: i will...
[14:23] Friend: remember
[14:23] Friend: ok
[14:27] lucentalchemy: i would like you to do some research if you can
[14:28] Friend: i ma doing it just now
[14:28] Friend: about what?
[14:28] lucentalchemy: i want you to research the history of christianity and the bible
[14:28] lucentalchemy: not what's in it
[14:28] lucentalchemy: the events around it
[14:28] Friend: ok
[14:28] Friend: i know some
[14:28] lucentalchemy: how it came to be the dominant religion
[14:29] lucentalchemy: all the way back to when it was just a Cult
[14:29] Friend: ok
[14:33] Friend: jeff i am gonna ask u something ok?
[14:33] lucentalchemy: sure
[14:34] Friend: aren't u really really christina/? very deep inside?
[14:34] lucentalchemy: no
[14:34] lucentalchemy: i am not
[14:34] lucentalchemy: christianity believes in Jesus is the only way to god
[14:35] lucentalchemy: i do not believe that
[14:35] Friend: yeah
[14:35] lucentalchemy: so i am not christian
[14:35] Friend: are u a jew then?
[14:35] lucentalchemy: no
[14:35] lucentalchemy: i am not a jew
[14:35] lucentalchemy: i don't believe in just one god
[14:36] Friend: well there are only true religions and that christianity and jewsh
[14:36] lucentalchemy: i am glad that you believe that
[14:37] lucentalchemy: but there are other religions that are practiced that are older... and full of just as much faith as christianity
[14:37] Friend: i don't know what the gods u believe in did because mine created everything even u
[14:37] lucentalchemy: that's what you believe
[14:38] lucentalchemy: and that's nice... but not everyone believes what you do
[14:38] Friend: that's what i know for sure
[14:38] lucentalchemy: prove it
[14:38] Friend: that's the only truth
[14:38] lucentalchemy: if it's true... prove it
[14:39] Friend: it is in the most amazing book in the hostory of mankind
[14:39] Friend: is called the bible
[14:39] Friend: THE BIBLE
[14:39] lucentalchemy: prove to me that its true
[14:41] Friend: the prove is there u are just to blind to see it
[14:41] Friend: man i hope someday god comes to you and make u understand
[14:42] lucentalchemy: well... maybe
[14:42] Friend: u have a good, wonderful heart because the one that created u mede u that way
[14:43] Friend: ad he knows where u are what u do and he is gonna ask u to come back to him someday
[14:43] Friend: is gonna be your chose to decide what to do
[14:44] Friend: your soul was created in heaven long before ths world was created
[14:44] Friend: we are here for just one reason and it is to earn the way back to the place we really belong to
[14:45] lucentalchemy: maybe... i don't know... i haven't gotten that call yet
[14:45] Friend: we were not supposed too be here but one day in heaven we turned our backs on god
[14:45] Friend: may be u are grtting it now
[14:45] Friend: getting
[14:45] lucentalchemy: all i know is... i am not his friend according to the bible... and i have no reason to think i will be anytime soon...
[14:46] Friend: we dont; belong to this world don;t u see it
[14:46] Friend: we are here one day and the next one we are gone
[14:46] Friend: just like that
[14:46] Friend: something comes out of your body and you aare gone
[14:47] Friend: u go back where u belong
[14:47] Friend: if u did find the way
[14:47] lucentalchemy: sweetie... i love you dearly... please don't try and convert me to christianity... i have been a christian... i have had full on religious discussions... i am not interested in christian mythology... if i go back... i will find it my own way
[14:47] Friend: ok
[14:48] Friend: i jsut think i needed to let u know
[14:48] lucentalchemy: if you want to stop talking to me because i won't change... that's up to you... but i don't try and force or convince my beliefs on others... I can only hope they will do the same
[14:48] lucentalchemy: i do appreciate it... i really do
[14:48] Friend: ok
[14:49] Friend: 
[14:49] Friend: Your buddy has sent you a cool Emoticon, to get it click http://www.smileyhub.com/s.asp?im=Yahoo&ref=3&ses=66555446&rsn=2&app=15835105&cont=\@TCBE(2006a)(0)$V=2,S=66555446$\@TCEE
[14:49] lucentalchemy: but i have heard the message...
[14:49] Friend: that;s all that matters now
[14:49] lucentalchemy: to me... it doesn't call to my heart..
[14:50] Friend: coz u blind yourself with your gayness that all it brings to you is pain,suffering and loneliness
[14:50] Friend: i wish i could stop being gay
[14:51] lucentalchemy: whether i am gay or not
[14:51] lucentalchemy: believe it or not... there are straight people who are good people who are not christians
[14:51] lucentalchemy: before i even knew i was gay i never liked church... i felt it was being forced on me... and i just don't like that
[14:52] Friend: yeah i know but they think they belong to this worl and they better enjoy it because that's gonna be it for them
[14:52] lucentalchemy: what if you're wrong?
[14:53] Friend: i ma still gonna have a wonderful life here
[14:53] Friend: just like right now man i never felt so good and and happy in all my life
[14:53] lucentalchemy: then let others have the same... i choose to believe in god the way i want to...
[14:54] Friend: being gay is of this world and it tries to keep u to enter the next one or one where u belong and what's all that matters
[14:55] lucentalchemy: then stop being gay
[14:55] lucentalchemy: if that's what god wants... just stop
[14:58] Meebo Message: Friend is offline
[14:59] Meebo Message: Friend is online
[15:00] Friend: i hope someday i won't need a gu and if i find one i want to base my realtionship with him in faithfulness and respect
[15:00] lucentalchemy: you actually don't need one now
[15:00] lucentalchemy: i don't have one
[15:01] Friend: and i think my job and the reason od me being gay is to help or bring the message to this comunity
[15:01] lucentalchemy: you can join exodus international
[15:01] Friend: how do i get there
[15:02] lucentalchemy: go to google and search for exgay
[15:02] lucentalchemy: they are gay people who have turned straight with the help of god
[15:02] lucentalchemy: and electro-shock therapy
[15:03] Friend: man i don;t want to turn straigth
[15:03] Friend: i wish i could give up on my sexuality at all
[15:03] lucentalchemy: yes you do... because it's what god wants you to be
[15:04] lucentalchemy: read what you are writing
[15:04] lucentalchemy: what you are trying to tell me
[15:04] lucentalchemy: i have gotten the message... i just want want it...
[15:04] lucentalchemy: you are saying the message... but don't get it
[15:04] Friend: I DON'T WANT TO BE STRAIGHT I WISH I COULD GIVE UP ON MY SEXUALITY AT ALL
[15:04] lucentalchemy: with christianity its all or nothing
[15:04] lucentalchemy: you can
[15:04] lucentalchemy: get castrated
[15:05] lucentalchemy:
[15:05] Friend: that's being weak
[15:05] lucentalchemy: it's not being weak
[15:05] lucentalchemy: it's a tool
[15:05] Friend: yes it is
[15:05] Friend: to me
[15:06] lucentalchemy: then just give up sex
[15:06] Friend: i wish i could
[15:07] lucentalchemy: you can
[15:07] lucentalchemy: just do it
[15:07] lucentalchemy: stop going to bars
[15:08] lucentalchemy: stop putting yourself into situations that will make you want to have sex
[15:08] Friend: man i ma human i wish that would be possible
[15:08] Friend: but i ma weak
[15:08] Friend: i love man
[15:08] Friend: men
[15:08] lucentalchemy: now... to me... that's being weak... castration is at least taking a step to what you want
[15:08] lucentalchemy: just saying "i am weak" it means you don't really want it
[15:08] lucentalchemy: but expect everyone else to follow what you're saying
[15:09] Friend: well at least i am trying some don't even care
[15:09] lucentalchemy: but you're not trying
[15:10] lucentalchemy: you are just saying you want to try
[15:10] Friend: that's still something
[15:10] lucentalchemy: no... it's not
[15:10] lucentalchemy: actually
[15:11] lucentalchemy: you are trying to force me to believe something you say you believe... but don't do...
[15:11] lucentalchemy: the path to hell is paved with good intentions... that's a quote that someone famous said
[15:11] Friend: i ma not trying to force u
[15:11] lucentalchemy: i don't remember off the top of my head who it was
[15:12] lucentalchemy: but you are trying to force me
[15:12] lucentalchemy: go back and read what you are saying
[15:13] Friend: i ma sorry if u took it that way i would ever do that
[15:13] lucentalchemy: we have just gone through this over and over again
[15:13] Friend: do i win anything from it?
[15:13] lucentalchemy: name one vegetable you hate
[15:13] Friend: why do u think i do it for?
[15:14] Friend: none really
[15:14] lucentalchemy: name something you hate doing
[15:14] Friend: talking to people that refuse to understand
[15:15] lucentalchemy: ...
[15:15] lucentalchemy: i do understand...
[15:15] lucentalchemy: i think that might be what's frustrating to you... i do fully understand... i just choose not to believe what you do... because i have my own beliefs
[15:16] Friend: man but u believe in fake gods i want to help u to save your soul
[15:16] Friend: even if i don't save mine
[15:17] lucentalchemy: my gods are not fake...
[15:17] lucentalchemy: and that is very rude and arrogant to say to anyone
[15:17] lucentalchemy: basically you just said
[15:17] lucentalchemy: everything you believe is just wrong... because i said so
[15:18] Friend: because i know so
[15:18] lucentalchemy: and that's fine that you "know so" but i know different
[15:18] lucentalchemy: you just can't accept the fact that someone else might be right
[15:19] lucentalchemy: and you can't prove it... you just point to a book...
[15:19] lucentalchemy: don't get me wrong... it's good to have faith...
[15:19] Friend: ok man
[15:19] Friend: i tried
[15:19] lucentalchemy: but forcing your beliefs on other people... and saying "i'm right and you're wrong" have caused so many wars and pain
[15:20] lucentalchemy: did you ever think that i could be trying too?
[15:21] lucentalchemy: just trying to open your eyes
[15:21] Friend: maybe
[15:22] Friend: all i know is that u have a good heart and that come from the only god that exists
[15:22] lucentalchemy: i have been on this earth for 32 years... i have heard a lot of the stories... i have made up my own mind.. all i ask... is that i be allowed to believe what i believe without being told "i don't care... you're wrong"
[15:24] Friend: man i never meant to hurt your feelings
[15:25] lucentalchemy: well... normally you don't... but this time you did... i don't hate you or anything... but i just don't want to talk about this anymore

1 comment:

Anonymous said...

You are very much more patient than I am. LOL with someone like that I tend to get a bit more irritated with them and well either get hateful or just ignore them lol regardless friend or not...